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Post by sydneypush101 on Jan 8, 2014 18:15:23 GMT
WHEN the Bogle-Chandler mystery rocked Sydney on New Year's Day, 1963, Basil Sweeney reported it for the Herald. When the detective Phil Arantz broke ranks in 1971 and provided accurate crime statistics to the Herald - totally contradicting official figures released by the police commissioner Norman Allen - he went to Sweeney. Sweeney, with his gravelly voice and laid-back manner, was a doyen of old-style crime reporting. He knew detectives, knew criminals, knew their secrets. He was tough and worldly-wise, and editors turned to him to find out what was going on in Sydney's underbelly. To his dying day he believed Gilbert Bogle and Margaret Chandler died of Teflon poisoning. According to Sweeney's theory, Bogle had been working on what was then a new product, Teflon. Teflon at normal or cooking temperatures was safe but heated to extremes could give off poisonous phosgene gas, which is tasteless, odourless and invisible. Sweeney believed someone put Teflon into the external manifold of Bogle's Ford Prefect engine, that it heated to nearly 2000 degrees, and that phosgene fatally poisoned the couple as they drove for a late-night encounter at Lane Cove River. The reporter worked for years on his theory - which, if established, amounted to an allegation of murder. He accumulated a solid body of evidence, including the fact that pulmonary oedema, a characteristic of phosgene poisoning, was present in both Bogle and Chandler. But it remained just one of several theories swirling around the case. --- Basil Sweeney, 1924-2009 www.smh.com.au/comment/obituaries/tales-from-the-underbelly-20090830-f3wu.html#ixzz2ppe4COH6
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Post by sydneypush101 on Jan 16, 2014 6:14:24 GMT
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Post by sydneypush101 on Jan 16, 2014 6:21:22 GMT
boglechandler.com: Speculation, Murder dog-worming tablets hydrogen sulfide LSD yohimbine shellfish toxin nerve gas Geoffrey Chandler: jealousy Margaret Fowler: jealousy espionage agents and more, here: www.boglechandler.com/bcSpeculation.html
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Post by sydneypush101 on Jan 16, 2014 7:11:46 GMT
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Post by sydneypush101 on Jan 16, 2014 7:27:27 GMT
Geoffrey Chandler's own theory:
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Post by sydneypush101 on Jan 16, 2014 10:56:57 GMT
In an article written in the interim between LSD having been said to have been found in the dead persons' systems and more sophisticated testing, which gave the lie to that "fact," SMH's "Sunday Spotlight" (28 May 1989) goes full-in on the LSD overdose. (Bonus: mention of "rabbit poison 1080" and "a synthetic poison called amino acid" as possibly used poisons.) news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19890528&id=ETZWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DegDAAAAIBAJ&pg=894,2372896
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Post by sydneypush101 on Jan 16, 2014 11:04:13 GMT
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Post by sydneypush101 on Jan 16, 2014 12:37:04 GMT
In support of the "poisoned by dog-worm medicine" theory:
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Post by sydneypush101 on Jan 18, 2014 7:57:43 GMT
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Post by ghostess on Jan 22, 2014 18:59:29 GMT
It’s a Gas
1963 was a memorable year for many reasons. Beatlemania was just beginning. Thousands marched on Washington DC for the cause of civil rights. John F. Kennedy was cut down by an assassin (or more than one assassin; take your pick of theories as to what “really” happened) in Dallas.
And on the very first morning of that exciting year, a mystery unfolded in the land Down Under, one that fascinated Australians for years to come and which would not be resolved for over forty years.
On that New Year’s morning, some kids were walking along Sydney’s Lane Cove River searching for lost golf balls. When they spied a man lying on the riverbank, they assumed he was sleeping off his New Year’s Eve and moved on without disturbing him. But when they came back the same way an hour later, the man had not moved, and now his face was discolored. He was clearly not just passed out, so the golf-ball hunters summoned the police, who quickly determined the man was very dead, and also found a second body not far away.
The dead were identified as Dr. Gilbert Bogle, 38, a physicist at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization, and Margaret Chandler, 28, the wife of one of Bogle’s coworkers. They had last been seen leaving a party in the wee hours of that day.
Both victims were partly undressed, but somebody had covered them up: Bogle’s pants were laid over him along with a piece of old carpet, and Chandler was covered with a broken-up cardboard beer carton. There were no signs of trauma to the bodies, but there were minor scratches on them, and these together with footprints and kneeprints showed the two had wandered around in an apparent state of confusion before they collapsed. Vomit and excreta were also present, pointing to the possibility of their having been poisoned.
The story was widely covered in the Australian press. Aside from the mysterious nature of the deaths, there was also the titillating fact that both victims were already married to others, and that they had evidently been trysting at the riverside when they died. Sexy scandal sold as well back then as it does today.
Many theories were advanced as to what killed Bogle and Chandler, but the toxicology tests of the day showed no trace of poison in their blood. The case seemed doomed to remain unsolved forever.
But in 2006, an Australian filmmaker humorously named Peter Butt began researching the case, and he presented his findings in a documentary titled “Who Killed Dr. Bogle and Mrs. Chandler?”
The solution he proposed was simple and plausible. Butt had come to believe that the couple was overcome by hydrogen sulfide gas emanating from the polluted riverbed. For years before their deaths, residents nearby had complained of a rotten-egg smell that periodically hung about the area. A local factory that dumped its waste in the river was blamed.
H2S, as it’s known, smells strongly of rotten eggs at thirty parts per million in air; at fifty to one hundred ppm, it is sickly-sweet in smell. At one hundred ppm, it instantly paralyzes the olfactory nerves and is thus undetectable even though it soon causes breathing difficulty and upset stomach. At two hundred ppm, the gas quickly causes severe respiratory distress, and at a thousand ppm, one breath is immediately fatal.
Their were high concentrations of hydrogen sulfide in the bottom sediment of the Lane Cove River near where Bogle and Chandler died. Occasionally underwater turbulence would bring the gas to the surface and into the air. Since H2S is heavier than air, it tended to collect in low places, like the little hollow where the lovers had been. That was a still, calm night, and without a breeze to disappate it, the deadly gas would have settled over them like a blanket.
They wouldn’t have smelled it at the high concentration, and by the time they began to feel sick time was already running out for them. They would have been confused due to the displacement of oxygen in their blood, making it difficult to find their way to higher ground and safety in the dark night. And so they succumbed to the noxious gas, and were found a few hours later.
And what of the fact that they had been covered up after death? Hindsight being 20/20, the credit, or maybe the blame, goes to a greyhound trainer who lived nearby and who exercised his dogs on the path very near where the bodies were found. This man denied using that path on the morning in question, but had told a track steward that he had in fact discovered the bodies and had covered them. He was known to be a prude, but his prudishness does not explain why he did not report what he had found, or come forward once he heard that somebody else had done so. .
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Post by zwie on Feb 1, 2014 22:33:55 GMT
I see Bogle was Oxbridge in '47. (Oxford/Cambridge Universities. He was Oxford.). That was almost the only recruiting ground ground for intelligence agents at that time, in England. Still is mostly, rumour has it.
Quite how that connects to being found dead on a riverbank half a world away, I have yet to fathom.
It might be interesting to find out who his fellow students were at the time though.
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Post by zwie on Feb 1, 2014 22:35:30 GMT
Oh no. I have an alien as my avatar. That's totally unacceptable.
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Post by zwie on Feb 1, 2014 23:02:39 GMT
I've changed it now.
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Post by Burt on Nov 13, 2016 6:02:33 GMT
Ha! It was all about Dr Bogles friend and the fast breeder nuclear reactor that he developed and a country that wanted that for its own nuclear weapons program. Bogle was killed because he was rocking the boat about his mates death. Chandler was initially a part of the assassination, she got cold feet and was killed to ensure that she never disclosed. Simple really.
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Post by johnrroberts on Aug 31, 2022 8:06:35 GMT
"Sweeney believed someone put Teflon into the external manifold of Bogle's Ford Prefect engine, that it heated to nearly 2000 degrees, and that phosgene fatally poisoned the couple as they drove for a late-night encounter at Lane Cove River."
2000 degrees F? In an ancient side-valve Ford Defect?? Even if it had been driven straight from the drags using methanol and a flathead the manifold wouldn't have been at 2000 degrees. The kitchen-sink plumbing pipe on the little four would be lucky to get to regular cooking temperature, which wouldn't have affected the Teflon at all. If he was as connected as he said he was, sounds to me like a ruse to lead the bloodhounds off the real scent.
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